Is it a Turd, a Steamer, a Brown Steamer or a Grogan?

This is the first in a series of deviant writings to make it's way into this section of the library. What you will find is a thread that developed in the primitive skills group.

We had been having a discussion about fire accelerants that could be used to aid ignition and combustion. In an attempt to add some information, I made the first post in this sequence. Then things got strange... (note: I amdiogenes)

Ron

Start date: 1/09/97

From: diogenes

Re: Potassium nitrate

Hi Ya'all
I'll try to give you a place to look on this one.
>However, you can "improve it" by washing it in a solution of 5 parts warm water to 1 part of potassium nitrate. After drying, it will now work.

>Question for all you chemists: what's potassium nitrate, and is it

>possible to manufacture it or find it in the wilderness somehow?

During my military training we were taught how to make explosives with common chemicals and in some cases, how to make the chemicals themselves. Potassium Nitrate is also known as "saltpeter (Saltpetre)" and is the oxidizing agent in black powder.

It is formed ..... or precipitated from...... feces. Turds lying in a field will, after some time, develop a whitish crystalline powder which is part uric acid and part potassium nitrate. This substance, the crystals, not the turds, are collected and washed to separate the chemicals. I will try to remember the exact process we used and post that later. I do remember that the crystals with the highest concentration of Potassium nitrate were found on the underside of the turd, next to the ground.

This powder was mixed in the classic proportions with either charcoal and sulfur, or charcoal and sugar, to make a stinky explosive. The sugar mix smelled like a candied turd. Do NOT try this in your rifle! It is OK in Bamboo nail guns.

I'll look in my notes for more info on the process. It is simple and the saltpeter is useful in a number of ways to enhance ignition etc. It is not effective in curbing sexual drive as some legends will have us believe.

Ron Hood

And then I received this beauty.......

To: diogenes

From: Jesus Rules@Angry.God

You are gross and not required to use this laguge profanity is bad for the sole and not christian. Why do you profan this group?

I don't like the way you yused the t--- word. Jesus Christ dide for our sins and he did not want us to use prfanity. The right way to talk about that subject if you must talk about it is you use the approprate word, scat. Or fece. Dont you ever use that word again or the Lord will smite you in his terrible wrath.

God save you because he knows where you are.

To: primitive-skills-group

Subject: Turds

I guess that I owe someone an apology. I received an Email letter from some courageous soul (whose return address is "Jesus Rules@Angry.God). I tried to send a message to (.God) but I'm afraid there is no .God. hmmmmm….

Anyway, this person objected to my use of the term "turd" when referring to a feces or scat. Ok….. The intent of my language is to communicate information and ideas in a way that is understandable to the largest number of persons. I believe a "turd" is better known than a "scat", so I chose that word.

However, in deference to the sensitive nature of my brave critic I will herewith make the following changes whenever the word "turd" is required. I will call a turd either "a brown steamer" if it is very fresh. A "steamer" if it is reasonably new. A "Grogan" if it is large….. and "Old steamer" if it may contain materials for making Potassium Nitrate (or ammonium nitrate). (If you agree, oh fearless one, you need only write me another of your wonderful letters.)

I hope that my complainer is aware that Jesus Christ was also a man. As such he was most likely to have pinched a steamer or two in his lifetime (Now that you've got me thinking, I wonder what kind of fire accelerant THOSE would have made…. ).

If he did not "pinch steam" I understand the "Angry God" notion more completely.

Peace,

Ron Hood

>I don't like the way you yused the t--- word. Jesus Christ dide for our sins and he

>did not want us to use prfanity. The right way to talk about that subject

>if you must talk about it is you use the approprate word, scat. Or fece.Dont you ever use that >word again or the Lord will smite you in his terrible wrath.

>God save you because he knows where you are.

From: jburdine@pipeline.com (James E. Burdine)

Subject: Re: Turds

Sorry to take up more bandwidth with this subject, but someone out there obviously does not understand that God has a sense of humor other wise he wouldn't have let cousins to the chimp that merely walked upright, have dominion of his creation. Since he did, and taught one of the chimps to use a computer I must accept this as proof that God has a sense of humor. He also humbles man by making him excrete turds(excuse me brown steamers) as part of his existence. AS THE GOOD BOOK SAYS JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED So if God is angry he will probably waste the unchristlike but very Christian person that sent that post to our brother in primitive sciences. Perhaps you never took a dump in the outdoors, or had to clean fecal matter from your brother/sister man. If you had then perhaps you would have more appreciation for a simple harmless word such as turd. There are worse words, like cowardice. It is a matter of cowardice to not leave a proper e-mail address for a return message.

Jim Burdine

Subject: Re: More Turds
diogenes@qnet.com (Ron Hood) wrote:

>Anyway, this person objected to my use of the term "turd" when referring to

>a feces or scat. Ok….. The intent of my language is to communicate

>information and ideas in a way that is understandable to the largest number

>of persons. I believe a "turd" is better known than a "scat", so I chose

>that word.

Turds..... Ahhh .....What a wonderful subject. As a matter of fact it's of my favorites. I find them quite amusing. After Ron got this message, I started thinking.........about turds and how much it really does suck when there's no toilet paper. Wiping with a flat rock is really interesting.

I can't count the times I've been walking on a trail and see a wad of toilet paper sticking up with a brown steamer attached to it just begging for my dog to munch it. First it makes me laugh, then it makes me angry.. So anyway, I looked up "toilet paper" in the "Leave No Trace" Outdoor Skills & Ethics book endorsed by the Forest Service and Department of Agriculture to find out what they think should be done about using toilet paper in the wilderness. Heres what it says exclamation points and everything:

"Toilet paper must be disposed of properly!..... The low-impact camper willing to go the extra mile might consider foregoing toilet paper altogether and using "natural" alternatives. Popular forms of natural toilet paper include aspen or sage leaves, stones, smooth sticks, fir cones and snow. Obviously some experimentation is necessary to make this practice work for you, but it is worth a try!"

Who wrote this book? Who the hell wipes their ass with a FIR CONE!! And can you imagine wiping with a wad of snow? These amusing images are imbedded in my mind. On the serious side though, if that's all you had, then you'd have to use it wouldn't you? (giggle)

Anyway, this brings me to another question for all you out there. What did the Indians REALLY wipe with?

Gotta go ... Ron and I are going to make some maggot stew for dinner tonight. Mmmmm, Yummmm. Don't want to miss that! :)

And always remember ... a happy steamer is a Grogan.

Karen Hood

Hoods Woods

Subject: Re: More Turds
Karen Hood asked:

> Anyway, this brings me to another question for all you out there. What did

> the Indians REALLY wipe with?

I love the net: you can discuss anything, even hemorrhoids...

Here are some answers:

The easiest and best way to wipe your bum out there (in my humble opinion) is to grab the base of a small leafy sapling and drag your hand up along it. This leaves you with a huge wad of leaves in your hand which you can use to do the job. There are very few leaves in the wilderness which are large enough or strong enough to do the job alone! The problem is that when you use the one leaf method, the finger always ends up besides or through the leaf. Then you try to shake off the "merde" and accidentally hit your finger on a protruding stump. Ouch! and the finger automatically comes to your mouth for relief...

On the serious side, the huge wad of leaves does work very well, and even in the winter, there are always some types of trees (such as beech -Fagus grandifolia) on which dried leaves persist. Don't forget, it doesn't matter how small the leaves are, as long as you've got LOTS of them.

Failing that, cattail heads will work if they are still solid enough not to fall apart. Bundles of grass work but leave little bits stuck as "willnots" (Will not want to be removed from there). Same problem with moss, it works but you end up with willnots. Birchbark is no good, it's too stiff, fingers go through it, and millions of willnots, especially if the white layer is used.

In Africa, the standard way of the Hausa people I visited is to use a long thin millet stalk, stick it between the legs, hold one end in each hand, and turn slowly while pulling back. This technique works with cattail stalks and other plant stalks. If you have a knife, you can whittle a smooth long stick also. Round smooth rocks from river beds, especially oblong ones, are pretty good. I've done all of this many many times and it works well.

I've also used snow, but not loose snow. Make an oblong snowball first. Usually, I use leaves, grass or stick methods for first wipe, and snow for the final wipe.

In remote areas in summer, my second wipe is always with water at the lake's edge. Then, with wet hands, I go roll them around in the cooled off ashes from the fire (that's where soap comes from, remember), and come back to the water's edge for final cleaning.

On a trip to India, I noticed that all poor people would wipe their bums with their left hand and water this way, then use soap for washing. The worst insult made to thieves in the past was to cut off their right hand, forcing them to eat and wipe with the same hand.

Of course, when animal skins were available, especially rabbit, that was certainly used also, maybe even washed and dried for the purpose. I know rabbit fur was used as a sanitary pad for Indian women. (They also used finely tanned buckskin tubes filled with spaghnum moss for this purpose.) I obviously have not tried this.

I am convinced that the majority of primitive people used a first wipe with, in order of preference, leaves, smooth sticks, rocks, the second wipe being with water or snow. Without the second wipe, your brown spot turns red mighty quick.

While on this subject, a green tree about 3 inches in diameter, bent over, makes a great seat. After the job is done, the seat flies back up into shape, waiting for the next customer. Another very important technique is to place your heels on a piece of wood 2 inches high. Try it. It is infinitely easier to squat that way.

When burying your scat, it is better to do it not too deep, stay within the organic soil for faster decomposition. Then again, just tossing an old log or rock on top is good enough in remote regions.

I know this was a shitty post, Have a good dump.
André

To: primitive-skills-group

CC: primitive-skills-group

I've heard that the use of dry corn cobs was a fairly popular choice before the advent of toilet paper. It may not have been used by the Natives but it was apparently practiced by early settlers in North America. Once the kernels have been taken off and the cob allowed to dry, the remaining kernel husk, or what ever it's called, on the cob is fairly soft. I don't know how comfortable it would have been, but it sounds a lot more pleasant to use than a rock, smooth stick, or snow!

Sent by: eaten_by_limestone@CLIFFHANGER.COM

Subject: Re: Turd Paper

On page 40 of the latest "Funny Side Up" catalog there's an ad for Camper's Buddy Toilet Paper.

"For the macho outdoorsman who likes to "rough" it! No wimpy, squeezably soft wipe for your butt. You're a tough hombre, you need a heavy duty paper. Prove to all your fishing, hunting or camping buddies that you're a hard ass... no ifs, ands, or "butts"! You get two rolls of Mother Nature's finest hay, bound by polymers."

Now wouldn't you all rather see a hank of hay stuck to a healthy brown toilet trout rather than a stained white butterfly perched on a brown steamer?

I see this catalog has another goody for the survivalist. Cheese Carcass Macaroni Road Kill Helper Great Stuff

Funny Side Up

P. O. Box 2800

North Wales, PA 19454

215-361-5130

There's more to taking a dump in the woods than just wiping. You also have to bee careful where you drop your pants. Like, not in a meadow full of wildflowers. You probably shouldn't be pinching a loaf in a meadow anyway, it's a pretty sensitive environment. But, in this case the bees may well enforce their rights to good smells.

You might think that that log over there is the perfect place to hang your butt over and commission a few officers. Make sure the ants don't object and that the timber rattler that you just plopped a Grogan on is in a good mood. Oh, and check the log. Redwood and Cedar leave great splinters

Remember too that scents in the woods have meaning. Like marking territory. I'm not sure how a scat pie with yellow glaze would be interpreted, but just letting out a couple of drops is definitely a territory mark.

Anyhow, 'nuff for now

Merv

Subject: Re: More Turds
Michael Teal u wrote:

> I've heard that the use of dry corn cobs was a fairly popular choice

> before the advent of toilet paper. It may not have been used by the

> Natives but it was apparently practiced by early settlers in North

> America. Once the kernels have been taken off and the cob allowed to

> dry, the remaining kernel husk, or what ever it's called, on the cob is

> fairly soft. I don't know how comfortable it would have been, but it

> sounds a lot more pleasant to use than a rock, smooth stick, or snow!

I think old timers soaked them in wood ash and water which caused them to swell. They then dried them and they would be soft and fluffy.

Benjamin Pressley

benjamin@perigee.net

Subject: Re: More Turds

To: primitive-skills-group

Well, i have a friend for India that says as a small lad they were always instructed to get the dog to lick minor cuts and scrapes. It seems that dogs have a large number of antibodies in their saliva, and can be used for minor first aid.

Since many have reported that the dogs have an attraction to fecal material ...exercise to be completed by the reader <g>
have a good weekend.

Name: H. Carter Mesick

Re: More turds

Hello All,

I have been reading this "turd" and "toilet paper" subject the last few days and never have I laughed so hard. It brings to mind another friend of mine who thought he was pretty good in the woods but really knew vary little. Seems he learned what he knew about the woods from watching old movies about mountain men. Well one day he had to go, and in fact he did go. When the deed was done, he thought not having any toilet paper he would use some leaves to wipe with. He should have known more about his plants. It was Poison Oak. From that time on he used toilet paper.

Well I must say, I use toilet paper when in the woods and then I bury it at least a foot deep and away from any water. I'm not about to stick anything up there like a stone, a pine cone, a corn cob, or a stick. The vary thought of it makes me think pain, tenderness and deformity :-) All I can say to those that do use these other things to wipe with is that you are better woods folks than I :-) Keep them coming folks, I love this stuff.

Gary lowell

Salem,OR

From:diogenes@survival

Subject: Spiritual help and Turd Paper

Merv, I guess pinching steam is more involved than the simple process of elimination. I've now learned that my dog is a potential "ass-ett", that soaking the cob is an important prelude to that final stroke and when a Grogan storms the doors, your anal art should not be decorated with a white butterfly. Fascinating.

To continue the train. In the Sierra we discovered that the steamer will be memorialized, something like a mummified Egyptian brown snake, if it is punched into the earth at above 8,000 feet. Food slag dropped into a hole is not digested by the butt log munching organisms normally associated with decomposition. We've learned this terrible truth as well as the axiom "One man's camp is another man's toilet" the hard way. After having had digital contact with the extraordinarily aromatic contents of another person's colon, I've resolved to avoid digging with my hands.

We've learned through experience that a brown steamer is best vented into a crack between rocks, to a resting spot on top of the ground. It will lay there unmolested for a few days and then the combined efforts of sun, cold, air and rain will erode your brown joy. Within a month there will be no sign. If we avoid corn cobs, bundled hay, cedar cones and other smudging instruments, we will leave no sign whatsoever. Which leaves us with an interesting thought. "How can we drop those little Saddams's with the least possible damage to our skin?" The answer I think may come with the single cheek lift.

Long ago I had a spiritual revelation. As I lay in a mortar crater with my rifle, half way through a three hour firefight, the spirit rose at Grogans door. In that moment I realized that some things are far more important than the abstract notion that I could be killed. I KNEW that a turd would emerge unbidden into a world filled with the acrid odor of rifle fire. Not only that, it would be in my pants.

They say that there are no atheists in a foxhole, it's true. I asked God for guidance. (God DOES have a sense of humor….. why else would he program the body to pinch steam during a life threatening event?) In a moment I had the revelation. My spirit guide "knuckles" told me to "Drop'em….Lift it…Pinch with energy" I did. After lifting one cheek, and pushing HARD, an aromatic missile flew from my body at a speed that would have cracked a windshield…. And landed six inches from me WHILE I LAY ON MY SIDE! Other than having a new companion in my mortar hole, things turned out fine. I did not sleep there that night.

Since that singular experience I've quizzed my spirit guide for guidance and I've had a learning……

While perched atop that sundered rock

waiting for that turd to drop,

lift your cheek with your right hand

and on the ground it will land.

Nary a mark will it leave

and only the air will it cleave.

(I'm waiting for the rest of the lesson)

Ron Hood

Subject: Re: Passing Gas

Anyone know where I can get a copy of Benjamin Franklin's "Fart Proudly"?

BTW, talk about your primitive firestarters. Saw my Red-Neck (you might be a Red-Neck, if...) brother-in-law lean over after a family dinner, pull out a Bic lighter and announced, "Hark!" He let go and lit the flame and set his polyester pants on fire as the gas ignited in a big ball of flame diffusing through the weave of his clothing. Falling to the ground under the table to our amused and amazed view, he slapped at his butt frantically for seconds until the orange glow died. Fused the pants to his rear end and legs. Then he went out to sit in the snow and drink tequila.

Oh yeah, you might like this. Last summer I took my family on a lakeside camping trip. We had taken a bag of marshmallows for our 9 yr old son to roast around the campfire. We stripped the bark from some green sticks and loading up a couple I proceeded to transform them into perfectly browned beauties for my wife and son. Whoops! They caught on fire, so I quickly pulled them out on their little whippy stick to huff and puff on them.

Molten liquid marshmallow napalm shot out of the side of the burning devils, catching fire as it flew in a stream toward my head. Instantly conforming to the contours of my face the marshmallow fuel flamed up my face towards my hair. Time slowed waaaayyy down as I started slapping my own face, slowly at first, then furiously as it appeared to have absolutely no effect. My family's mouths started dropping open, slow as opening doors on a barn - their eyes began slow motion opening wide - SWOCK! - looked like two pair of twin umbrella's opening. I could see everything with bright clarity, as my animated self noted the flames climbing my head, millimeter by millimeter, like the frame-by-frame video of an explosion. It dawned on me that my hair was going to combust hair-by-hair next. Slapping my head with blurring speed (as seen by my loved ones) I was just about to bury my head in the ground and roll around at their feet when the fuel unexpectedly burned itself out.

Standing there charred, smoking and looking like I'd just been struck by lightning (but first the dancing Wild Man Floor Show! -- where "he moves surprisingly fast for a fat man"). By then their mouths were just about fully gaping, as I shakily patted my head ('just a little bit slower now') feeling for my features. Unexpectedly finding I had glasses, I pulled them off to see they were covered in white goo.

They must have saved my eyes. My nose and parts thereabout were another story, as I walked through the next couple of weeks with my constantly hurting pinkly burned 'above the shoulder' and deflated ego area. I started drinking and didn't give a good God damn who saw. Even the hangovers helped. People came to view me like a 'Shrine' and actually fell down laughing at my feet, pointing up at me with tears running down their eyes, convulsed as they were with mirth. One guy wrote me on the Internet to thank me for my humiliating object lesson. He'd been feeling depressed and stressed, but that passed like a cloud when he saw what an asshole I was. Now in my bug-out bag sits a little bag of emergency marshmallow firestarters...and a bigger first aid kit.

Believing he needs a beer,

Chris

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Michael Teal u wrote:

> I've heard that the use of dry corn cobs was a fairly popular choice

> before the advent of toilet paper. It may not have been used by the

> Natives but it was apparently practiced by early settlers in North

> America. Once the kernels have been taken off and the cob allowed to

> dry, the remaining kernel husk, or what ever it's called, on the cob is

> fairly soft. I don't know how comfortable it would have been, but it

> sounds a lot more pleasant to use than a rock, smooth stick, or snow!

Heh, now this brought up memories that made me laugh! Although pretty much raised a city boy myself, my grandparents lived in the country and used kerosene lamps, a wood burning stove in the kitchen, outside water pump, and yes, the little shack out back for making water and steamers (did I get the turd, er, term, correct for that? ;^) There was never any toilet paper out there... but that's where I learned the meaning of "too hard and too slick", by personal experimentation with the occasional Sears and Roebuck catalog that was in there. It has to do with why the plain white pages were all getting ripped out and the glossy colored pages were left!

But, to the point, when the catalogs were all gone, there was always a couple of buckets of cobs. Most of the cobs were a reddish-brown color, but some were a creamy white. I asked my grandpa what the difference was and with a wink he told me, "First you use a brown one and then you use a white one to see if you need to use another brown one." I was mortified at the time, but have since seen packages of 2 brown and 1 white cob packaged with that saying, for sale in some cheesy tourist shops. Anyway, I'd pick an old cob over a pine cone any day!

-glen monaghan

From: "diogenes"

Subject: Re: The art of wiping your bum

>I've read where studies indicate that the crude fiber diets would often

>pass thru the gut in less than 30 min.

>On the other hand, our modern, refined foods stay with us much too long.

In addition to the "smudge factor" of modern foods over native foods, the issue of butt hair needs to be considered since clingers need a rope to hold. Now, can any of you gifted researchers answer the question "Does a Caucasian butt have a higher hair density than a native American butt?" and "Did hair density result in a higher cling ratio per cubic Cm of steam?" Gender differences may give us a clue. A trusted ass-ociate of mine conducted a "cling test". Her fuzz less ness had a very low clinger ratio. In fact smudging was the only difficulty she reported.

One other thing. Some years ago I was experimenting with Cattails as food. When the tops were past their prime but boiled thoroughly, they could be eaten, but not digested. The result I discovered was a feeling of fullness long after the meal. Eventually, after a complicated journey, the material had to re-emerge. Just before it did there was a period of profound gas discharges. Had I been in the city it most certainly would have annoyed the neighbors. Finally they jumped free, fast! There resting on the earth was what looked like a cylindrical pillow, a "self wiping" Grogan if you will.

Tho' it could have been broken up and dried for use as insulation, I decided to end the experiment.

Peace

Ron Hood

Some time ago someone wrote:

>I am convinced that the majority of primitive people used a first wipe

>with, in order of preference, leaves, smooth sticks, rocks, the second

My personal favorite: sphagnum moss. While it is often damp, it does get you clean.

/Par

Subject: Re: The art of wiping your bum

Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:55:25 -0700

> In fact I have been trying to find out

> it's name for quite some time. Out west it is called Old Man's Beard or

> Usnea. I don't know the scientific name or even if it is the same stuff

> for that matter.

>

> -Jeff

Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong but I think there are two kinds; one is light colored and one is dark. (sometimes they grow together) Your right, out west we call it old mans beard, Their scientific names are Usnea and Alectoria but not sure which one is which. Has several uses;

medicinal, edible and utilitarian (aside from your suggested use which I am going to try).

Another obvious wipe I use that I haven't seen posted yet is; Spruce boughs. (they rank right up there with Pine cones and corn cobs) Actually this "directional" wipe does work not too bad as you can 2 hand (one in front and one behind) and draw them through, they feel quite soft. Biggest disadvantage is some of the needles fall off into your underwear and you get "needled" periodically through the day. If you want to be enviro (we all do) and if the branches are low enough you can leave them attached to the tree. (Be careful where you collect your needles for your spruce needle tea or you may be in for a nice hot "steamer" cup of tea. Gulp!)

Kelly Harlton

Re: More turds

Bill,

>In the interests of clarity, I find myself needing to ask a question to

>clarify the intent of this terminology. Given that they are rare, it is

>known, however, that they do exist. Therefore, I need to know the proper

>terminology for paleo-turds. That is, which is more proper, to refer to

>Jurassic, Pleistocene, etc. turds as very, very, very, very, very, very

>old steamers or as Stanley Steamers?

Good question! I was under the impression that very large, petrified fecal art, is called a "groganoid". I understand that they make a fine spear point as they have conchoidal fractures that occur along the parallel inclusions (i.e. hair etc.) naturally occurring in the deposits. Any Ideas?

Ron Hood

Subject: Re: Turds...uh...grogans...uh steamers

> How about lithic steamers

Lithic thteamers? Nah, that'th too technical.

Bill B.

Subject: Re: The art of wiping your bum

> If you want to be enviro (we all do) and if the branches are low >enough you can leave them attached to the tree. (Be careful where you >collect your needles for your spruce needle tea or you may be in for a >nice hot "steamer" cup of tea. Gulp!)

> Kelly Harlton

ROTFL.....sorry....know we are not supposed to address this list with side comments but I pictured someone "wiping their bum" with a tree branch still attached to the tree and fell out of chair with laughter....ahem...

Sherri

>I want to second that, Par. Spagnum is without a doubt the best I have

>found

I have tried sphagnum only once and it totally turned me off. I just don't like the fact that it is wet and cold. Do you guys use it wet right off the ground or do you process it in any way. I have only used it we right off the ground. I don't much like it.

Jeff

From: diogenes

re: wiping and swiping

Jeff said;

>I have tried sphagnum only once and it totally turned me off. I just

>don't like the fact that it is wet and cold. Do you guys use it wet

>right off the ground or do you process it in any way. I have only used

>it we right off the ground. I don't much like it.

I process it when I can. It's a little like blow drying....The best technique for drying sphagnum that I know.

Eat two pounds of beans, six ounces of spinach, two eggs and a chili dog. Wait two hours. When the urge hits, back up to the sphagnum and let 'er rip. The hot wind will blow all loose material and moisture into low earth orbit. Tuck in the resulting loose tissue, and apply Prep "H". As an additional benefit, there will be no hair, no clingers and no little field monkeys dropping from that cheeky speaker for some time.

A word of caution, the above recipe has been deemed a class one explosive. Do not attempt this near an open flame!

Ron

"The worst drummer can silence the sweetest song"

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